Bullshit. And damn small-minded too. Let me put you and your child in a sealed room with, say, Dahmer and a knife, and tell me what you'd do. Here's a hint: if you don't pick up the knife you're an utter failure as a parent and as a human being.
And yes, the scenario is a little contrived, to bring the issues into clearer focus. The same principles are in play on a daily basis.
And letting the defenseless animals overpopulate their environment and starve, or being chased down and torn apart by wolves is so much kinder than killing them quickly. As for your question, the answer is a definite yes. It teaches the kid breathing control, and to squeeze the trigger instead of pulling it. That kid will be eating well when your kid is starving and undernourished. Most families with whom I am aquainted, that hunt, also know what plants in the wild are safe and good to eat. Most vegans I know don't know a damn thing about the wild.
I disagree. Teaching a child to arm themselves can serve for self protection, as well as that of their own family when they grow up. Hunting teaches them to truly live off the land and not be solely dependent on the grocery store. Personally, I believe if an animal is hunted and killed, the whole animal should be used. I hope that boy sleeps under that warm fur on his bed. You know I am an animal lover and rescuer. I hate to see senseless killing. I believe in all things in moderation, I wouldn't hunt in excess. I also hope the boy tends to a vegetable garden at home.
I agree this is a stupid cartoon. Show some kind of native hunter with his child and it would no longer be politically correct, because white people aren't allowed to hunt the way human beings have done for 200,000 years or more.
I have educated all my family to be self reliant, not only hunting but fishing, the use of snares, and other primitive skills. They have been taught "We do our own living and thanks to no man for the right." All things in moderation, with proper education, and respect. I value every minute I have spent with the young members of my family hiking a back country canyon or sitting around a fire teaching them how to survive as one with the wilderness.
So what are your views on hunting for fun? Yes you all eat what you kill but I seriously doubt most do. The kid doesn't look very happy about the experience...mass shooter of the future?
"... does every half-wit have to have a gun?" Definitely not! In fact most lib I know don't have guns. They seem to think that a "gun free zone" sign will keep them safe, which is incredibly stupid and half-witted.
I love your blog and have laughed mightily at many of your posts. But don't make the assumption that everyone who comes to your blog shares your views on hunting. Please start a pro-veganism/anti-hunting blog for that. Also, you have no real idea what this kid is thinking. He may not be happy about the experience. He may just not like having his picture being taken. He may have been happy, but the camera clicked at an odd moment. No one has any idea. Just as you believe that hunting is wrong, it's also wrong to imply that a little child will turn into a mass shooter. Dial down the rhetoric. Also, I'm sure you wouldn't like me saying something like "Seriously Britain, does every in-bred white person deserve a lordship?" So maybe you want to recognize that America has 300+ million people in it and we don't all support unlimited gun rights.
Say what you like about britain, it's a shithole!! :)I love how no one comments unless it's to complain. Likewise if someone disagrees with my posts THEY can start their own blog, this is mine! ;)
You are certainly free to post anything you like on your blog. I'm simply letting you know that I (and maybe other of your fans) don't come to your blog to be lectured at. At some point, you might only have anti-hunting fans. If that's what you want, go for it. But if you're trying to appeal to a broad audience with internet humor, you'll find that these posts are counter productive. Then again, perhaps you _wanted_ to imply that I'm less of a person simply because I happen to be a US citizen. Perhaps you _truly_ believe that anyone who disagrees with your views on hunting are "shit parents." If so, go to hell. If not, perhaps you might want to choose your words more carefully. If you have children of your own I certainly hope you don't teach them that any of their friends' parents who hunt are "shit parents". But perhaps you believe in preaching hate.
wow, I really expected to see a bunch of people agreeing wholeheartedly with you...instead we've got all sorts of people gearing up for some kind of apocalypse and/or making sure they can out-shoot a "bad guy".
Hunting is a normal American experience. It doesn't make you a killer of people or a paranoid survivalist. Used to be that most upper class Brits did a bit of hunting too, before they apparently became a bunch of pussies.
Anonymous, I don't think the Brits became pussies. I think they ran out of wildlife to hunt, in part. Particularly numbers of land-based wild birds have declined sharply: http://archive.defra.gov.uk/evidence/statistics/environment/wildlife/kf/wdkf03.htm The British still hunt fox with hounds, of course. Overall though, it's the generic human impact on wildlife populations which is of greater concern. The DEFRA review of British mammals states: "There are a number of population threats faced by British mammals. Of the 65 mammals included in the review, seven are known, or believed, to be threatened by competitors, seven by climate change and/or adverse weather conditions, four by disease, seven by population fragmentation or isolation, 31 by habitat changes, five by inter-breeding, 18 by deliberate killing, 25 by pesticides, pollution or poisoning, four by predation and seven by road deaths." And, um, no: I'd never buy a gun, and I'd certainly never give my child a gun. But I do kill my own poultry, for food. So does that mean I'm only a semi-pussy? :-D
It probably helps that people make the connection of what's on their plate to the living and breathing and fighting for its life animal you've just killed. If you can kill it cleanly and humanely (no, not halal food (I'm looking at you dominoes, tesco, co-op and KFC)) I don't have a lot of problem with this. Catch-and-release is just mutilating small animals. But to kill an animal for sport should have gone the way of the dodo.
I suspect a lot of people who kill another animal end up thinking "that wasn't so hard" and then bigger animals are next on the list. Animals like their neighbours or passers by. The best thing that can happen to gun nuts like these is that they just go and shoot one another and leave the world a slightly safer place.
Bullshit. And damn small-minded too. Let me put you and your child in a sealed room with, say, Dahmer and a knife, and tell me what you'd do. Here's a hint: if you don't pick up the knife you're an utter failure as a parent and as a human being.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, the scenario is a little contrived, to bring the issues into clearer focus. The same principles are in play on a daily basis.
So letting a child kill a defenseless animal sets them up to defeat a serial killer?
DeleteAnd letting the defenseless animals overpopulate their environment and starve, or being chased down and torn apart by wolves is so much kinder than killing them quickly.
DeleteAs for your question, the answer is a definite yes. It teaches the kid breathing control, and to squeeze the trigger instead of pulling it.
That kid will be eating well when your kid is starving and undernourished. Most families with whom I am aquainted, that hunt, also know what plants in the wild are safe and good to eat. Most vegans I know don't know a damn thing about the wild.
I can happily grow my own veg as I have done for years, I live in the country miles away from anywhere...ooh a vegan, imagine that!
DeleteI disagree. Teaching a child to arm themselves can serve for self protection, as well as that of their own family when they grow up. Hunting teaches them to truly live off the land and not be solely dependent on the grocery store. Personally, I believe if an animal is hunted and killed, the whole animal should be used. I hope that boy sleeps under that warm fur on his bed. You know I am an animal lover and rescuer. I hate to see senseless killing. I believe in all things in moderation, I wouldn't hunt in excess. I also hope the boy tends to a vegetable garden at home.
ReplyDeleteI agree this is a stupid cartoon. Show some kind of native hunter with his child and it would no longer be politically correct, because white people aren't allowed to hunt the way human beings have done for 200,000 years or more.
ReplyDeleteI have educated all my family to be self reliant, not only hunting but fishing, the use of snares, and other primitive skills. They have been taught "We do our own living and thanks to no man for the right."
ReplyDeleteAll things in moderation, with proper education, and respect.
I value every minute I have spent with the young members of my family hiking a back country canyon or sitting around a fire teaching them how to survive as one with the wilderness.
So what are your views on hunting for fun? Yes you all eat what you kill but I seriously doubt most do. The kid doesn't look very happy about the experience...mass shooter of the future?
ReplyDeleteSeriously America, does every half-wit have to have a gun?
ReplyDelete"... does every half-wit have to have a gun?" Definitely not! In fact most lib I know don't have guns. They seem to think that a "gun free zone" sign will keep them safe, which is incredibly stupid and half-witted.
DeleteJoanne,
ReplyDeleteI love your blog and have laughed mightily at many of your posts. But don't make the assumption that everyone who comes to your blog shares your views on hunting. Please start a pro-veganism/anti-hunting blog for that. Also, you have no real idea what this kid is thinking. He may not be happy about the experience. He may just not like having his picture being taken. He may have been happy, but the camera clicked at an odd moment. No one has any idea. Just as you believe that hunting is wrong, it's also wrong to imply that a little child will turn into a mass shooter. Dial down the rhetoric. Also, I'm sure you wouldn't like me saying something like "Seriously Britain, does every in-bred white person deserve a lordship?" So maybe you want to recognize that America has 300+ million people in it and we don't all support unlimited gun rights.
Say what you like about britain, it's a shithole!! :)I love how no one comments unless it's to complain. Likewise if someone disagrees with my posts THEY can start their own blog, this is mine! ;)
DeleteYou are certainly free to post anything you like on your blog. I'm simply letting you know that I (and maybe other of your fans) don't come to your blog to be lectured at. At some point, you might only have anti-hunting fans. If that's what you want, go for it. But if you're trying to appeal to a broad audience with internet humor, you'll find that these posts are counter productive. Then again, perhaps you _wanted_ to imply that I'm less of a person simply because I happen to be a US citizen. Perhaps you _truly_ believe that anyone who disagrees with your views on hunting are "shit parents." If so, go to hell. If not, perhaps you might want to choose your words more carefully. If you have children of your own I certainly hope you don't teach them that any of their friends' parents who hunt are "shit parents". But perhaps you believe in preaching hate.
Deletewow, I really expected to see a bunch of people agreeing wholeheartedly with you...instead we've got all sorts of people gearing up for some kind of apocalypse and/or making sure they can out-shoot a "bad guy".
ReplyDeleteHunting is a normal American experience. It doesn't make you a killer of people or a paranoid survivalist. Used to be that most upper class Brits did a bit of hunting too, before they apparently became a bunch of pussies.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, I don't think the Brits became pussies. I think they ran out of wildlife to hunt, in part. Particularly numbers of land-based wild birds have declined sharply:
ReplyDeletehttp://archive.defra.gov.uk/evidence/statistics/environment/wildlife/kf/wdkf03.htm
The British still hunt fox with hounds, of course. Overall though, it's the generic human impact on wildlife populations which is of greater concern. The DEFRA review of British mammals states:
"There are a number of population threats faced by British mammals. Of the 65 mammals included in the review, seven are known, or believed, to be threatened by competitors, seven by climate change and/or adverse weather conditions, four by disease, seven by population fragmentation or isolation, 31 by habitat changes, five by inter-breeding, 18 by deliberate killing, 25 by pesticides, pollution or poisoning, four
by predation and seven by road deaths."
And, um, no: I'd never buy a gun, and I'd certainly never give my child a gun. But I do kill my own poultry, for food. So does that mean I'm only a semi-pussy? :-D
Great point Dr. M!
DeleteI think that the reason this image is so horrible is that it looks less like hunting for food and more like killing for a trophy. Very big difference.
ReplyDeleteIt probably helps that people make the connection of what's on their plate to the living and breathing and fighting for its life animal you've just killed. If you can kill it cleanly and humanely (no, not halal food (I'm looking at you dominoes, tesco, co-op and KFC)) I don't have a lot of problem with this. Catch-and-release is just mutilating small animals. But to kill an animal for sport should have gone the way of the dodo.
ReplyDeleteI suspect a lot of people who kill another animal end up thinking "that wasn't so hard" and then bigger animals are next on the list. Animals like their neighbours or passers by. The best thing that can happen to gun nuts like these is that they just go and shoot one another and leave the world a slightly safer place.
Yeah, teaching your children to go out and catch and kill their own food, (which humans have done for millennia) makes them shit parents?
ReplyDeleteYour intolerance for other's views and your narrow-minded responses have cost you a liberal reader.
My views were on killing for sport, but yeah, whatever.
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